--STARTERS--

There's been some talking about using the legendary bird trio as our starters.
If we want to keep with the classic game mechanic of the rival picking the advantageous starter, we can't use the birds.

Fire>Grass>Water is the general rock-paper-scissors type triangle used for starters. Let's use a DIFFERENT one.


Steel>Ice>Ground starters, anyone? :D

Yeah, I've always wanted the Steel-Ice-Ground thing (or Dark-Psychic-Fighting, etc).

Although it'd be cool to have a legendary as a starter, it would kind of ruin to point of it being a legendary. After all, if it was so commonplace, not very many legends would have been created about it :/

yea, bird trio wouldnt fit

steel, ice, ground is pretty fitting for prehistory, im down with that

i dont think the starters should be related to any existing pokemon, we need something new

woolly rhino for the ice type, anyone?

Archelon wrote:

yea, bird trio wouldnt fit

steel, ice, ground is pretty fitting for prehistory, im down with that

i dont think the starters should be related to any existing pokemon, we need something new

woolly rhino for the ice type, anyone?

i highly agree with this. and one thing that always irritated me with the past games was that you couldnt get the other starters. i think after you beat the elite 4 u should b able to find them in the wild

Actually, those three types seem PERFECT.

Ground=fossils, etc
Ice=ice age
Metal (since we're renaming steel)=the underlying game theme

As usual, we have to make sure the first evo is adorable, the second is coolish/meh, and the final is badass.

Ice would be awesome as a mammoth OR we could make a sabertooth ice tiger like the opposite of Arcanine.

Steel could be an early Steelix ancestor (he wouldn't evolve into steelix, but would have a somewhat similar appearance).

For ground we could use some burrowing creature, iunno.

Hyper Beam wrote:

Actually, those three types seem PERFECT.

Ground=fossils, etc
Ice=ice age
Metal (since we're renaming steel)=the underlying game theme

As usual, we have to make sure the first evo is adorable, the second is coolish/meh, and the final is badass.

Ice would be awesome as a mammoth OR we could make a sabertooth ice tiger like the opposite of Arcanine.

Steel could be an early Steelix ancestor (he wouldn't evolve into steelix, but would have a somewhat similar appearance).

For ground we could use some burrowing creature, iunno.

the ice we could do a swinub, piloswine, mamoswine redos
the steel could b something with the aron, lairon, aggron redos
and the ground could b with kabuto and kabutops with an extra evo

idk jst some ideas

kursk wrote:

the ice we could do a swinub, piloswine, mamoswine redos
the steel could b something with the aron, lairon, aggron redos
and the ground could b with kabuto and kabutops with an extra evo

idk jst some ideas

Well, Kabutops is actually Rock/Water. Still, I think it would be a good idea to have completely new starters.

I like Ice/Ground/Steel, it definitely fits. Either that or Fighting/Dark/Psychic would be the best options in my opinion.

kursk wrote:

the ice we could do a swinub, piloswine, mamoswine redos

Mamoswine, as Tangrowth and Yanmega, are really throwbacks to ancient forms of their pre-evolutions. I don't see how we can mess with those too much, aside from cutting out the pre-evolutions that exist in the future.

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the steel could b something with the aron, lairon, aggron redos

As I understand it, Aggron is able to use Head Smash because it's closely related to Rampardos. That rather implies it hasn't changed much since ancient times.

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and the ground could b with kabuto and kabutops with an extra evo

There's a few things wrong with that but.. Just no.

NowPower wrote:

kursk wrote:

the ice we could do a swinub, piloswine, mamoswine redos

Mamoswine, as Tangrowth and Yanmega, are really throwbacks to ancient forms of their pre-evolutions. I don't see how we can mess with those too much, aside from cutting out the pre-evolutions that exist in the future.

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the steel could b something with the aron, lairon, aggron redos

As I understand it, Aggron is able to use Head Smash because it's closely related to Rampardos. That rather implies it hasn't changed much since ancient times.

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and the ground could b with kabuto and kabutops with an extra evo

There's a few things wrong with that but.. Just no.

yea that does make sense. jst was thinkin how we include kabutops and mamoswine in there sense that was there actual time. but yes this does make a lot of sense

Ok, guys. For the starters at least, let's come up with COMPLETELY new sprites. From scratch. They're one of the icons of the game, so let's make those entirely original.

Also, aerodactyl: ice/ground/steel just seemed to fit better with the ancient theme.

Yeah. I was thinking that you could take a more mythological approach with Dark/Psychic/Fighting, you could have a Cerberus (dark), a Sphinx (Psychic), and a Minotaur (fighting), for example. If the starters are modeled after ancient creatures, Ice/Ground/Steel works better.

Aerodactyl wrote:

Yeah. I was thinking that you could take a more mythological approach with Dark/Psychic/Fighting, you could have a Cerberus (dark), a Sphinx (Psychic), and a Minotaur (fighting), for example. If the starters are modeled after ancient creatures, Ice/Ground/Steel works better.

I love the mythological approach. Maybe if that idea isn't used for the starters, it could be used for the legendary trio.

Aerodactyl wrote:

Yeah. I was thinking that you could take a more mythological approach with Dark/Psychic/Fighting, you could have a Cerberus (dark), a Sphinx (Psychic), and a Minotaur (fighting), for example. If the starters are modeled after ancient creatures, Ice/Ground/Steel works better.

i agree with you fully there
cuz of the fact that psychic moves dnt hurt dark at all. and some darks can also learn psychic moves so it becomes the best choice

I'd be quite impressed if we were even able to include half the awesome ideas that have come up so far.

Aerodactyl wrote:

Yeah. I was thinking that you could take a more mythological approach with Dark/Psychic/Fighting, you could have a Cerberus (dark), a Sphinx (Psychic), and a Minotaur (fighting), for example. If the starters are modeled after ancient creatures, Ice/Ground/Steel works better.

Aerodactyl, someone mentioned the Ice-starter being a Sabertooth.
Maybe I could revise my version a little (just change the colors and add some ice/snow/whatever on it) and make it a middle stage evo?

I think we should still try to make them at least remotely cute because all the other starters were.(EVEN TREECKO)
Even though this is probably going to be a lot grittier than normal games, the hack should still go with tradition and make these guys adorable.

KIMYURI wrote:

Aerodactyl, someone mentioned the Ice-starter being a Sabertooth.
Maybe I could revise my version a little (just change the colors and add some ice/snow/whatever on it) and make it a middle stage evo?

other edits that can be made: making the two large front teeth from ice; ice crystals on the back

edit:
http://www.robbychen.com/ca272/final/mammals.html
A page listing mammals in the Ice Age; could be useful for brainstorming ideas for the Ice starter.

Megistotherium, ancient hyena-like creature
Coelodonta, Wooly rhino
Saber-tooth tiger

could these species work as starters?

[quote="Arbok"][img]https://2img.net/h/i53.photobucket.com/albums/g62/TigerQuoll/dinosaur/megistotherium.jpg[/img] Megistotherium, ancient hyena-like creature
[img]http://www.palaeos.org/images/thumb/a/a1/Coelodonta_CRK.jpg/350px-Coelodonta_CRK.jpg[/img] Coelodonta, Wooly rhino
[img]http://susasverige.se/Calle/metazoa/thumbnails/Saber-Tooth-Cat.jpg[/img] Saber-tooth tiger

could these species work as starters?[/quote]

I like the idea of the Saber tooth. Now would it be completely Ice type though? Or could we do something like having the final evos of the three pokemon be multi types that work well against each other, like one being ice/fighting, another being ground/psychic, and the third being steel/dark?

It would kind of ruin the balance of the rock/paper/scissors theme, but it seems like it would be an interesting way to incorporate both of the trio types.

As I said the first forms of these would have to be cute, which wouldn't be too hard for the tigers I guess.

arbok, i did suggest the woolly rhino and id still prefer it over the others
its just the most icy animal i think


as for mammoths, it would be a cool animal to incorporate. we could relate them to phanpy, donphan, and make them regular pokemon, not starters

well we can make it like a very shaggy phanphy

Ground/Ice/Metal(Steel) seems the better basis for me.

For a ground type, Doedicurus comes to mind.

I suppose Smilodon (Saber toothed tiger) works well enough for the ice type.

I can easily see Elasmotherium as a steel type. Looks like it's ready to stab through anything.

I like wooly mammoth for the ice type

NowPower wrote:

Ground/Ice/Metal(Steel) seems the better basis for me.

For a ground type, Doedicurus comes to mind.

I suppose Smilodon (Saber toothed tiger) works well enough for the ice type.

I can easily see Elasmotherium as a steel type. Looks like it's ready to stab through anything.

Elasmotherium for Steel sounds like a great idea. If we do choose it, it should have a high Speed stat. Should we keep it hairy, though, or make it all armored-looking?